He would've built an atomic bomb as a kid...but his mom wouldn't give him the uranium. True story - and it's not even THE story. It's merely an episode in the life of Joe Templin, the Human Kaizen expert intent on inspiring 100 million people to make some positive change in their lives. The hope is for us to commit to self-improvement, one step at a time.
The author of the Amazon Kindle #1 New Release "Every Day Excellence" wasn't intent on seizing the day from the day he was born...but he certainly adopted the philosophy the day he died ("I got better.") at the age of 10. He's gone on to be an ultramarathoner, special needs parent, martial arts champion, polymath, and adherent to the practice of kaizen - from the Japanese word for 'improvement.'
LISTEN to this interview, and then read the full bio, if you want to fill in the blanks, because with a man like Joe, each blank is meticulously filled in, and it's more than can be covered in a single conversation.
Hersh and Joe do their best, however, and this chat is a noble step on an outsized quest.
More about Joe:
Reformed physicist, financial planner, startup founder and autodidactic polymath best described as a Swiss Army Knife, Joe Templin has invested the past two and a half plus decades to helping others reach their financial potential as a planner, trainer, mentor and creator.
Joe has served as a member of NAIFA (the National Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors) on the local, state, and national level, and including three terms on the NAIFA National Young Advisors Team (YAT) Subcommittee and was honored as one of the 2011 Four Under 40. He is a graduate of the Leadership in Life Institute of NAIFA as well as Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and is an alum of Johns Hopkins University.
Joe earned his CFP® and has written hundreds of review questions for the exam, as well as his CHARTERED ADVISOR OF PHILANTHROPY, CLU, and ChFC designations and qualified numerous times for the Million Dollar Round Table. He has been a business columnist for the Albany Times Union, Adviser Today Magazine, The Ballston Journal, and Insurance News Net. Joe earned his Certified Executive Counselor designation as well as his Certified Master Executive Counselor in 2021.
Joe served as the President of the Castle Alpha Tau Foundation for Pi Kappa Phi Fraternity and as the Chapter Advisor, and is currently a Vice President of The Autism Society of the Greater Capital Region. He has been a member of The Ancient Order of Hibernians for over 20 years, and is the Lieutenant of the Honor Guard.
Templin is the Managing Director of the Unique Minds Consulting Group, LLC, and is the author of “Every Day Excellence”, the Kindle #1 New Release in Professional Development. Joe also co-authored “Do You Want To Make MDRT, Or Not?” with Dr. John Stolk as well as “Choices: Creating a Financial Services Career”.
Joe is a Co-Founder and President of The Intro Machine, Inc. an organization dedicated to teaching professionals in a variety of fields how to build an Introduction Based Business. He has spoken all across the US and Canada on ethical business development.
Joe Templin on Truth Tastes Funny with Hersh Rephun
[00:00:00] hersh: The funny thing about math is that a hundred million people taking a step towards self-improvement is still only one tiny step per person, but the impact is infinite. This is my conversation. With Joe Lin. What if the truth came in a gel cap and we could just pop it in our mouths and forget about it?
[00:00:29] Well, it doesn't, and we can't, but we can laugh in the face of reality while plotting our survival. Welcome to the truth. Tastes funny podcast. I am. First Redon. And if my guests can handle the truth, so can you open wide folks? Here? It
[00:00:56] I'm here with Joe Templin human kaizen expert, dedicated to self improvement to the improvement and continuous growth of all of us. And he'll tell us about. Mission. He's also got, uh, a number one new release on Kindle and, uh, every day excellence is the book is a wonderful title. It's a wonderful concept, Joe.
[00:01:20] Welcome to the show.
[00:01:22] Joe Templin: Thank you. Hersha it's called every day. Excellence because excellence is something that is almost untouchable, but, but we can strive for, and it aligns with that Kaizen concept of continuous improvement, cuz no matter how good we become, there's always more that we could be. And so it's this balance of being able to say, I'm enough.
[00:01:48] I'm good enough the way am I deserve love and you know, to be happy and all that. But I can still be better. So tell
[00:01:56] hersh: us, Joe, how you became inspired to create a movement. Toward everyday
[00:02:02] Joe Templin: excellence. So like many movements, there's not one moment or major influence on it. There's a whole series of things. So with the book, I had a goal of reaching the New York times best seller list and selling a certain number of copies.
[00:02:24] But I realized that was a very selfish goal. That was completely and totally me oriented. That was based on my financials and why I wanted to accomplish and stroking my ego. And I was listening to Louis House from school of greatness and he just released, uh, a whole bunch of new material and everything.
[00:02:44] And he was talking about how he wanted to reach a hundred million people. This year and I'm like, wow. Or actually every week he wanted to reach a hundred million people. I'm like, wow, that's an incredible goal. And the amount of positive change that could generate. And so I'm nowhere near his level. So I'm like a hundred million a year.
[00:03:08] That is a. B a, a big hair audacious goal from Jim Collins. Good to great. And so I'm like, all right, that is something that is just beyond my comprehension of doing so it's gonna force me to change my thinking. It's gonna. Push me into the uncomfortable space of growth. It's gonna make me change. It's gonna make me reach out and develop new resources and tap into new people so that I can get out there and influence in a positive manner.
[00:03:38] This many people, because if I can reach a hundred million people in the next 12 months and improve them in some capacity, they're each going to improve. Environment, their family, their workplace, their community. And so we could have a net impact, uh, on a billion people and that's motivating and cool. And it is
[00:04:00] hersh: audacious goal.
[00:04:02] The question is, how do we know when it's working? How will we, how will we know when this is really catching on this idea of improvement? It's not like a toy where you're trying to be. I wanna sell a million. You're selling a philosophy
[00:04:19] Joe Templin: and you know, it's not like I can go to like, you know, the app store and see, oh 100 million downloads or anything crazy like that, but we can put it together in terms of pieces.
[00:04:32] So for example, we'll be able to tell how many people listen to this podcast. And hopefully every single person that listens to this podcast gets some Pearl of excellence that they can walk away with and improve their world. and we can look at number of people who have read the various blogs on my website.
[00:04:51] So they're not purchasing anything it's completely and totally me giving to the community, but we can look at number of people who have done that. We can aggregate across all the podcasts that I'm on. We can look at the book sales and things like that, and it's not going to be an exact science, but if we can blow right through that and say, Hey, you know, Reached a hundred million downloads of the various, uh, podcasts across all the different people that I've worked with.
[00:05:20] Then we can be pretty certain we've reached that many people and being able to measure those. Outputs and the changes that people have again is very difficult, but there's always these stories. Like when I did the presale of the book, um, we sent out the initial 500 copies and a couple of weeks later, I get an email from a guy who I'd done some consulting work with from five or eight years earlier.
[00:05:48] And it's like, because of your book, I. Was working on a video game in my spare time that I was enjoying working on and it made me wanna work on it harder. And I just released the, the MVP, the minimal viable product. And, uh, another woman emailed me that she had stopped smoking from reading it. And so these anecdotes start adding up and hopefully.
[00:06:15] W, uh, it'll be like when Dr. Jordan Peterson goes and speaks and there's a line of people and, and they're telling 'em these stories about how their life has changed. I mean, I'll never be at that level, but if I can start collecting these stories and hearing these things, then I'll know them doing the right thing in terms of helping other people.
[00:06:36] hersh: you'll also know if you start to hear the term everyday excellence be, become permeating, you know, the zeitgeist. And we start to hear that term, you know, cuz people catch terms, catch on. Yep. And that's a good one,
[00:06:53] Joe Templin: the, that or human Kaizen that I know that we're having an impact human
[00:06:59] hersh: Kaizen from the Japanese concept of improvement, Kaizen, meaning improvement in Japanese, for those who, who may not know you've done a lot of, you've done a lot of things.
[00:07:08] I mean, you're a martial arts expert. You've done financial planning. You're a special needs parent. I understand. Mm-hmm and also an ultra. so you've done so much in your life. Is this a lifelong pursuit that you've had to constantly improve? Constantly develop?
[00:07:27] Joe Templin: I, I think it is cuz I mean, when I was eight years old, I told my mom I wanted to learn everything there was to know.
[00:07:34] And she's like, well you better get crack. And the encyclopedia is over there. Get reading. And so that's the sort of attitude that I grew up with. Where if you say you wanna do something big, it's like, all right, get to work. Let me help you. Let me give you a little bit of guidance around it. So where'd you, uh, where'd you grow.
[00:07:52] Uh, I grew up in upstate New York. So my hometown Greenfield center did not have a traffic light until after I got off graduate school. And it still flashes after 5:00 PM and it's on the corner with the town hall and one of the churches and the general store and the post office. And there's still dirt roads and all that.
[00:08:11] We did not have sidewalks or streetlights where I grew up. So when I was practicing for my driver's test, I had to parallel park next to a cow
[00:08:20] hersh: oh my God. Is that for real? That's for real,
[00:08:24] Joe Templin: I can't make this stuff up. I mean, so my friends are, that's really good. You're like bust my stones template. I'm like, no, this is real.
[00:08:32] I don't need to make up stories because my life has just been so bizarre in so many.
[00:08:39] hersh: Well, take us through a little of that. So, so let's, let's jump ahead. What, what was the, you know, I understand the small town concept. What was your childhood like?
[00:08:49] Joe Templin: so my mom, the nun. Yes. My mom was a former nun. Uh, then turned to college biology professor.
[00:08:56] My dad was the first person in his family to, uh, go to college. He went army ROTC scholarship. And basically right after he pinned on his butter bars, uh, the Cuban missile crisis happened. So almost the end of the. So then Vietnam. So that's the theor of it, small town, as I said, farm kid. I'm the second of six, uh, kids, my older brother is my Irish twin.
[00:09:22] Uh, and I say, he's my much older brother, cuz he is 11 and a half months, but I'm bigger than him. And I have been since we were like 10 years old. So I get to rub that in. Right. Um, I, uh, I was severely severely asthma growing up. So actually at 10 years old, I died. I got better.
[00:09:42] hersh: You died. Like you, you, you were, you were considered dead
[00:09:47] Joe Templin: pronounced dead.
[00:09:48] Yep. You know, I was flat lined. I was floating down my body looking down bright lights, the whole nine yards. What
[00:09:55] hersh: do you attribute that? That to the, the outer body? death. It's not even a near death experience. It's a, it's an in-depth experience. Yeah. It was dead. Dead. What have you made of that? Having actual experienced
[00:10:08] Joe Templin: it?
[00:10:09] So it gives me faith in the future in a lot of ways. And I'm a man of science and faith simultaneously, which might seem weird, but you know, it's perfectly logical, especially to somebody who's a physicist. And, um, it ever since then, I've basically burnt the candle at both ends end in the middle of a flame.
[00:10:29] According to my friends. And so that's the reason why I'm like this because we all only get 86,400 seconds per day. I don't care if your Elon Musk or a kid getting out of college. We have the same number of seconds per day. And at the end of the day, they're gone. So you can't move them forward. You can't put 'em in the bank, you can't save them.
[00:10:51] You can just spend them, waste them or invest. And so I tend to invest as much of them as possible. And I look to multitask, you know, I say that I'm a Swiss army knife. I try and get multiple use out of minutes. So for example, I'm here in the office. I'm part in this podcast with you, my kids in the next room right now.
[00:11:13] So as soon as I'm done with this, I'm gonna shift gears. I'm gonna be in dad mode for a little bit, but I'm also gonna be reviewing, uh, some other stuff simultaneously while I'm investing that time to grow and develop. When I'm running or working out, I'm listening to audio books or podcasts. So I'm feeding my mind in spirit, same time that I'm taking care of my body.
[00:11:34] I'll supervise homework while listening to an audio book that the kids like to listen to too, which is a nice thing that they've picked up and I'll be making. so we're getting this multiplicity. So this way you can squeeze more out of the day. And I also have gotten very good at saying no, there's a lot of things that I don't do simply because they are not additive in terms of making myself, my family, my career, my community better.
[00:12:05] And so people ask, oh, what's your favorite TV show? I don't even know the last time I turned on a. . Yeah. And the only reality TV I watch is the New York Yankees. And actually I listen to the games on my phone so I can do other things simultaneously.
[00:12:20] hersh: Well, sports are easy. Are, are one of the few things we can watch.
[00:12:24] And because we see it in real time with our own eyes, we may still actually believe the results. Whereas we're watching news depending on the source, trying to find a source. We don't believe any of that. Anyway, we, we, we have lost the concept of truth and. You know, sports is one of those things we can, we can watch a boxing, matcher, we can watch a football game, or we can watch a tennis match.
[00:12:46] And presumably we're still seeing what's really happening. And that's kind of comforting, even if you're not super into sports. A lot of people would say that multitasking can divide us in too many pieces. Mm-hmm so that we are not really getting the most out of each. And
[00:13:06] Joe Templin: so when I'm doing something that requires real focus when I'm creating, I am not multitasking.
[00:13:15] So for example, every single day I sit down and I write and I have no distractions going on. There might be some light, um, meditation music going in the background or, uh, beach wave sounds to help put me in the right, uh, You know, to generate theta waves and break down the barriers between conscious and subconscious that might be going on, but the phone's turned off.
[00:13:40] There is nobody else around. I, you know, the most distracting thing is the birds outside the window. And I just completely focus for that 20, 30 minutes that I'm doing that particular thing. If I'm recording stuff for my YouTube channel phones turned off, doors closed. Everything's shut. So that for that 10 minutes that I'm doing that particularly intense task, that is literally all I am doing.
[00:14:08] If I'm spending time with my kids and you know, they're having an issue or whatever. And so they need me phones turned off or put in another room and I'm eye to I, I am a hundred percent. so there, uh, like almost everything there's this dichotomy of, we can do multitasking and to do that very well in some spaces.
[00:14:33] And we need to be completely laser focused in other ones to be able to have the proper results that we need there. And it's learning. Which is which over time that allows you to develop your own unique style and capabilities, because, you know, my ADHD is a superpower in some ways in that multitasking works for me in a lot of things, you know, I'm very audio.
[00:14:59] Focused. So I can actually listen to audio textbooks and be able to learn that way while I'm working out. Whereas other people don't have that capacity. So their approach to, uh, learning new information or getting new concepts has to be different.
[00:15:20] hersh: It is a tool oriented approach. The multitasking is what you make of it.
[00:15:28] It, it can be a splintered experience where you're just distracted and easily distracted. I'm also easily distracted. That's why I love the mornings where everybody is still asleep, but me because I can focus and it's not even their fault. It's just the more opportunity there is to be distracted. The more easily distracted.
[00:15:52] I get
[00:15:52] Joe Templin: absolutely. It's, you know, I have a saying when the morning win the day, so I get up and I use habit stacking like James Claire talks about in atomic habits. And I sit, grab my cup of coffee, turn on the coffee pot so that the new coffee's made while I'm consuming. The half cup from the day before.
[00:16:08] Coffee's good overnight, by the way, as long as you don't put milk and crap like that, um, and I sit down and I write and dump out. Whatever was in my brain from sleeping. Then I read every single day, I read my own pages and every day excellence and do the homework assignment associated with, I read either the daily stoic or the daily laws by Robert Green.
[00:16:28] So I read something like that. And then I go and I work out for a half. And typically that's running or martial arts. And then I sit down and I write again for anywhere between 15 minutes and 30 minutes because my brain was processing stuff while my body was waking up and moving. And it's a form of active meditation always.
[00:16:52] And so when everything that was in the brain, when rallying around a couple of good things come out. And from that writing time, I might have like two good lines that I want. I might have. Five good pages. You know, it doesn't matter. It's the habit of doing it every single day. Because if you practice the guitar every day, you get better.
[00:17:16] If you practice a foreign language like Romanian every day, you're going to improve. If you work on your relationship skills or your sales language or anything consistently, you're going to develop a much stronger skill set. And on the days you don't wanna do it, you suck it up and you. Anyway, and that's where you develop your will set and you become stronger because you've faced the, you know, the blues, the negatives, the, you know, uh, gravitational force sucking you down saying, no, you can just skip today.
[00:17:49] And as long as you don't give into that, you become much more powerful and you continue that streak. And that's one of the reasons for the design on the front of the book, that cool non-linear growth curve, because when you start doing anything, you're, you're embarrassingly. I mean, I, yeah. Remember listening to my kids, um, grade school concert, and it sounded like they were strangling cats or it was like a CIA torture experiment.
[00:18:14] And then when I went to his freshman concert a couple months ago, they're like out here. And another couple of years he'll be here as long as they keep with it. Were you
[00:18:25] hersh: honest with the kids about,
[00:18:27] Joe Templin: oh yeah. I told them it was horrible, cuz I mean, I was a, I was a trained cellist and with their level of proficiency with everything, we have two standards that I focus on cuz my kids are wicked smart.
[00:18:40] They're going to do really well in school. No matter. Okay. So like my kid aced his final, he didn't do his homework for a quarter and I, they were gonna fail him until he aced the final. He's like I passed. I'm like, dude, no, that's not right. So I made him do the summer school homework. Anyway, do I care about two things, effort and attitude.
[00:19:01] And so I asked him, you know, he is telling me about a different test and I'm like, tell me about your effort leading up to it. And did you have good. And he's like, I had good attitude. You know, when I did what the teachers asked, I was helpful in class, I did all this and I did actually did the homework and everything right along.
[00:19:20] I'm like, okay, good job. So when you, and he is like, you don't care about the grade. I'm like, no, I don't care about the grade. I care about the effort and the attitude, because if those are good and you continuously and regularly do that, you're gonna succeed. Those
[00:19:34] hersh: are great ways to measure. Accomplishment and start to train young minds to think outside of what society might prioritize or are education system might
[00:19:47] Joe Templin: priority.
[00:19:47] That's external validation. You don't need the BMW. You don't need the big house. You don't need the title or the promotion or anything like that. You need to have your own professional pride, your standards that you hold yourself. And that will continuously make you better. So, well, my one son's a runner.
[00:20:07] It's like, okay, are you doing your practice? Are you doing your stretching? Are you doing the things that you should so that you can become a better runner overall? Yes or no? It's that simple? You know, my other son is a martial artist. Are you practicing? Yes or no? Because if you practice, if you do it, you will improve and you will get as good as you want to be.
[00:20:27] hersh: So when you were, when you were at nine and you had. the, and you died at nine mm-hmm . What, what were things like before that happened? And what were things like immediately after that?
[00:20:42] Joe Templin: So, Um, being one six kids, I mean, and my dad traveled for work. He, uh, was a consultant on his consulting firm.
[00:20:49] So basically my mom literally ran the show with all six of us. It was a sex string circus. Um, and there were four boys and two girls and three boys in a row at the older end of it. So it was absolute chaos. And. um, beforehand, you know, my mom was always doing the best she could. We always had cousins and aunts and uncles around that were helping out cuz we lived out in the country.
[00:21:14] So I mean, my cousins were at my place all the time and my mom, uh, because my cousins were in high school was always tutoring them and helping them out. So I was always exposed to education. I, my cousin, Kate, who later became the. Had science teacher at my high school, who said that when I was like four years old and she was studying biology, I was walking around to the table, singing DIY ride bow, Nu clay acid.
[00:21:41] And she wanted just like hit me with a book. So we were always encouraged to pursue what interests us. We were always encouraged to study. Uh, my mom realized when I was about three years old that, uh, when my brother or I got in were actually getting in trouble on purpose because we'd be sent to our room.
[00:22:03] And that's where the books. So she started like having us sit on the stairs. And to me, like with my hyperactivity, that was like the worst thing in the world. Sit, trying to sit still for a couple minutes. Yeah. So I started behaving better, but that was your
[00:22:18] hersh: version of misbehavior was to get sent to your room so you could read more.
[00:22:23] Yes. Yeah. You make the rest of us look very, very badly behaved.
[00:22:29] Joe Templin: Well, my mom also taught me how to hot wire, a car, how to shoot a gun, uh, how to distill alcohol. So, you know, my mom wasn't exactly the choir girl. I, she was a farm kid too. So we had all these. Skills that have come into play later on in life when I was an Intel officer or just being able to take care of the stuff on my own.
[00:22:54] So that's what it was like was we were encouraged to pursue what interest us. Now. She bought me the bug jug. She, uh, helped me build a laser where I was like eight, 10 years old. You know, she encouraged us to do things and. Art was one of the things that she encouraged. Unfortunately, I have no artistic ability, unlike my brothers and sisters.
[00:23:17] So that's why I don't say I'm a Reno man. I don't
[00:23:20] hersh: know where you, yeah. I don't know where you would find the room to squeeze in art. I know if you could, you would. but it's maybe a good thing for you that, that it, that it's, you're not tackling that too. There's
[00:23:34] Joe Templin: so much. Well, that's why I write poetry. I mean, they're on the shelf behind me.
[00:23:38] You can see, uh, five or six of the poetry books that I've released under a Nu plume. Oh,
[00:23:44] hersh: okay. And what are the, what are they, what are the poetry books like?
[00:23:50] Joe Templin: Oh, that's all love poetry,
[00:23:52] hersh: Uhhuh. And how long have you been writing poetry?
[00:23:56] Joe Templin: um, I really got back into writing poetry about, uh, a couple of years ago, three years ago, maybe, but I mean, I've written right along.
[00:24:07] So when I started college at 13, cuz my parents said 12 was too young to start college. I actually was focused on communication and writing because I was so hyper advanced on the math science side already. I was doing high school, college level, uh, mathematics and science at age. I think at 12 is why I designed my atomic bomb.
[00:24:27] Uh and I'm serious. I know serious, Joe, my mom, the former radiation biologist. I'm like, Hey, can you give me some uranium? And she's like, why? And I explained, and she's like, no,
[00:24:42] hersh: well now I wonder now I wonder, I know there should be more books. Well, did you do an autobiography? Did you write an autobiography?
[00:24:52] Because that would seem to be a, a, a ripe kind of, uh, source material or a biography of your mom,
[00:25:01] Joe Templin: which that would be cool. A biography of my mom. so, you know, I used to say my autobiography was actually the movie real genius.
[00:25:11] hersh: Oh, Val
[00:25:11] Joe Templin: Kilmer. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz that was, you know, I was, I was a high op energy optical physicist working on stuff like that.
[00:25:19] And when I went to nerd camp with Hopkins and then RPI, that's what my friends were.
[00:25:26] hersh: okay. But I do want to get an answer to this one question so we can kind of keep moving through your life, cuz it is fascinating. So give me just a little more instant insight into this incident a nine and then what, what it triggered.
[00:25:44] for the rest of those formative years, just to get a little better understanding of how you evolved.
[00:25:51] Joe Templin: One of the things that triggered was like, my mom had met a lifeguard, everybody in my family swam. In fact, I'm the only one. Who's not a lifeguard basically. Um, but Johnny Weis, Mueller, the former Olympic gold medalist who ended up playing Tarzan, he was a severe asthmatic as a.
[00:26:10] and his family made him his doctor's name, take up swimming to help his breathing and counter that. And so Johnny Weiss Miller was one of those people who I was always fascinated by and studied as well as Teddy Roosevelt. And you can see my over my shoulder here. I got good old tr up there mm-hmm um, because Teddy Roosevelt was a scrawny asthmatic kid and his father told him, Theodore, you have the mind, but not the body.
[00:26:42] And so, uh, Theodore Roosevelt's doctors actually prescribed whiskey and cigars to make him stronger and physical activity. Mine didn't give, give me those things. Uh, but. Uh, even though I could barely run, I mean, like running around, you know, 50 yards, I would be bent over wheezing, almost unable to breathe, but I did it.
[00:27:07] And then I went a little bit further and then a little bit further. And that 50 yards became 500 yards. And, uh, I also started TaeKwonDo where I. 11 years old. And so by the time I was 12 or 13, I was actually starting to run cross country. I was a horrible runner. I was the slowest runner in the group, but I was able to do the miles.
[00:27:29] And then I, uh, started playing volleyball and I, I stopped running cross country, but I was really getting involved in TaeKwonDo and these other things. And I came back to running later on as cross training for my martial arts in college. And I did it to help supplement it. But then, uh, I said I was gonna do my first marathon before I turned 30, because if I didn't do it by then, I probably would never do it.
[00:27:53] So I did my first marathon a month before my 30th. And then I did another one a year later. I said, okay, I'm never doing another marathon again in my life. This sucks. You know, it's too long to go all the training, the sacrifices, I'm tired. I'm always hungry, always hungry. But then a bunch of my buddies from high school called me about seven years ago.
[00:28:15] And they're like, Hey, Templin, you know, you wanna do something crazy? I'm like, yeah. So they're like, we want you to do a Raar with us. Yeah. And I'm like, what the hell's that it's like, oh, it's a 200 mile team relay race where you sit in a van and you get Stockholm syndrome and you run, and then you sleep on the floor someplace and then you run some more and it's absolutely nuts.
[00:28:37] I'm like, dude, I'm in. So I did my first one with my buddies from high school. Um, and well, my friend Dave Tamboro, who's a former Olympian for the United States. Short track speed skater called me two weeks later. He's like, dude, I, I had this weird dream we're in a van and we were run through the Adirondacks.
[00:28:58] I'm like no demand. That was. And so I then joined another running team. I've now done like 20 of those. And during COVID, when everything got closed down, we started doing crazy things. So we wouldn't go insane. So we did like a beer mile, which was actually two years ago, today popped up in my feed and we did like a midnight moon run.
[00:29:20] And then we did virtual rag, NAS. We were mailing the stuff back and forth. Um, and then we were like, Hey, let's do a backyard. So we'll start 9:00 AM and you run one, two or three miles for that hour and the next hour you do it again. Next hour, you do it again and we'll do it for like, you know, 10 hours and have some time in your backyard.
[00:29:40] Well, they call it back around your neighborhood, around your neighborhood and stuff like that. So I ran around the neighborhood and, you know, for some reason I thought we started at 5:00 AM, not 9:00 AM and I committed to three miles, uh, per. So, you know, after like eight hours, uh, everybody else is like, oh, okay, we're done.
[00:29:59] This is boring. It's, you know, 90 degrees out, it's hot. And I'm like almost 35 miles into it. I'm like, you know what? I'm over a marathon. I didn't realize that I'm gonna keep doing this. I'm gonna see how many hours I can do this for. And I got to 40 and I'm starting to really lose it mentally and physically, because it's the furthest I had ever gone.
[00:30:17] I'm like, I'm gonna stretch this out. Double marathon because two negatives make a positive from mathematics point of view. And so if I do two marathons in a day, technically I didn't do a marathon and it's. And so that was my bizarre rationale. And so I actually did a full double marathon that day. And when I was getting to like mile 40, I was losing it mentally and physically, I was down to, you know, running on fumes emotionally.
[00:30:44] And one of my friends called me and she was having all sorts of difficulty. And so I spent. 12 miles focused on trying to help her and solve her problems, not on how badly my legs hurt and how every step hurt. I was starving. Right. And I had no energy and my mind was going weird places and I was almost delusional.
[00:31:05] So I spent basically the next two hours on the phone with her helping her. And that got me past mile, about 50. And then I was from there. It was just sheer guts, finishing it. And after I did I'm, I'm there in the shower. And peeing a little bit of blood as it normally happens and, you know, drinking a beer and I'm like, you know, what if I actually were smarter about this, if I planned ahead, I could go further.
[00:31:28] So six months later I actually did a hundred kilometers and I did that in. Two plus hours less than I did the 52 miles. And I was actually trained for 125 in April when I broke my leg. So I'm just, uh, really recovering from that, but I'm gonna do, uh, something called the hamster wheel in November, which is a four mile loop and just keep doing it and doing it and doing it for 24 to 36 hours.
[00:31:57] So even
[00:31:57] hersh: after all of. The end result is you end up in the shower, peeing blood and drinking a beer. And that happens to people who are not in nearly as good shape as you are. And it even probably happens to some of the people who subscribe to the Teddy Roosevelt, uh, regimen of whiskey and, and cigar. They might also end up in the shower, just, just drinking a beer and, and pissing blood, but , but you've accomplished way, way more than they have by the time you end up in that bloody shower.
[00:32:32] That's the, that's the definitive, uh, uh, difference. I'm glad I'm not your workout partner. I think if, uh, I think for your sake in mind, that would be, it would, it would be good for a while.
[00:32:46] Joe Templin: But, oh, you hate me when I'm like, you know, calling you four 30 in the morning. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
[00:32:52] Yeah. So yes, I am too much in a lot of ways. I've been told this by people. I am too much, but I'm not going to, you know, throttle back.
[00:33:03] hersh: No. And now are
[00:33:04] Joe Templin: you married? I am divorced. Probably oh,
[00:33:09] hersh: okay. Because of this. Well, you know, I ask because it's because it is, uh, you know, first of all, I was married, I'm currently married, but I was, I also was divorced for my first wife and I think that finding a.
[00:33:27] Uh, a partner in life that you can a, that can actually tolerate you. And vice versa is a really, really unique challenge. I, I think while there are many, many people who are, who are married, I think it's very hard. It's
[00:33:42] Joe Templin: challenging. She traveled for work for seven or eight years before COVID hit. So she was on the road five days a week, uh, and three weeks out of the.
[00:33:52] Uh, it was basically solo raising the kids. And so she didn't see what took to be a special needs parent, cuz she wasn't around for it. And she didn't see the stress. And I see, oh, the juggling, the three kids and getting three them to three different activities every single day in different places, every single day of the work week, plus trying to work plus trying to do all the other.
[00:34:14] So when COVID hit and all of a sudden we were all in the same space for several months, she's like, no more. We're done. We're done. I can't deal with this.
[00:34:25] hersh: Yeah. Well, that's very different even from the stuff that we are talking about all the way leading up to this, because I imagine that a lot of families during COVID were sorely, you know, tested and, and, um, disrupted and forced.
[00:34:43] Analyze their compatibility in a way they might not have been
[00:34:48] Joe Templin: spike in other horses. Uh, we saw almost a 50% increase in divorces and there were two distinct groups that saw major jumps in divorces. There were the relatively newly married the people in the first year to 18 months of marriage who were still getting in the acclimation stage of okay.
[00:35:08] You know, we're married, we're living together. You know, you go to your work. I go to my work, we get together. And all of a sudden they couldn't escape from each other and they hadn't developed the tolerance for each other. And the foibles that the other have, that is something that you develop over time in a, in a relationship in a marriage.
[00:35:27] So we saw a huge spike among those recently married, and then the other huge spike was the ones like me, 20 plus. because mm-hmm, , you know, all science, like you no longer have the escape of work to get away to, you know, the very often there were kids, especially like teenage sort of kids like I had, who were in the environment also.
[00:35:51] And so you've got all these different stressors in no way to relieve the. and the coping mechanisms that many people had, whether it was family or their friend support systems or their, uh, groups going to church or, uh, synagogue. So their spiritual outlet, you know, going to their gym, all that disappeared simultaneously.
[00:36:17] Yeah. So that's the reason why we saw those spikes in those two distinct groups. Another group that was really hurt was like my kid, the special needs child. So all of a sudden they lost Cub Scouts, which was a support group for them. They lost their martial arts, which gave them structure and physical activity and focus all of a sudden everything's on the screen.
[00:36:40] For school, which provides difference at, of physical, uh, stimula visual stimulations and distractions around it. And you know, they, every bit of structure was suddenly torn away. And so those kids with autism or ADHD, or both like mine ended up suddenly being cut free and there, they struggled during that.
[00:37:08] And we're gonna see some impact from this, uh, pandemic in terms of this ecological issues for the next 10 years.
[00:37:20] Yeah, I think
[00:37:20] hersh: we've, we've hardly scratched the surface on what the residual effect will be for kids, both, you know, on the spectrum and just, you know, kids that are, um, that are not, you know, neurodiverse in any way. It just, it it's going to be reverberating. For some
[00:37:42] Joe Templin: time to come. Well, little, little kids, ones who are just learning to speak and just learning socialization.
[00:37:47] They get a lot of their cues. From observation from looking at the mouth of other individuals, seeing the smile and that feedback, and that was taken away from an entire generation. And so we're gonna see probably another three to five years, the difficulty acclimating and, uh, in terms of socialization from that cohort, because of the changed feedback mechanisms that they had to co deal with early.
[00:38:19] hersh: So how does the to, to bring it back around now? Um, I'm respectful of your time because, uh, you've had a long day so far and you're
[00:38:30] Joe Templin: still, I'm having fun though. This is a great conversation.
[00:38:33] hersh: It is, it is fun. I'm really glad Joe, that you're enjoying it because, so am I, so to circle back around to the mission, if you apply your mission of, uh, KA to.
[00:38:49] Today's world. And what some of these younger people and adults are struggling with in the wake of this pandemic, how, what, what is, uh, kind of a direct effect that you can see on this? If this movement were to take hold, how would it help? How would it help some of the more immediate, uh, issues we face?
[00:39:11] Joe Templin: So, one thing is that we saw a lot of people.
[00:39:15] Okay. Physically deteriorate during COVID for a number of reasons. One, because they lacked physical touch. So not getting the oxytocin feedback mechanisms, things like that. But a lot of people put on the COVID 19, which is worse than the freshman 15. You know, you see all these people who are growing the apocalypse beard, and, you know, they got used to doing zoom meetings while wearing pajama bombs and all this.
[00:39:39] So it's getting back to some of the personal standards. So if somebody put on weight during the pandemic, developing a plan, a daily approach to start undoing. Whether it's okay, I'm gonna start going back to the gym. I'm gonna start walking every single day. I'm gonna, you know, take time to, you know, uh, actually going for a walk while talking on the phone to a friend is a great way to be able to get some of that social connection going again while still getting the physical activity and, um, eating healthier because.
[00:40:16] If you look at Uber eats and GrubHub and the delivery services, I mean, they've gotten absolutely spectacular cuz everyone was shut on in what we I'm surprised that people didn't take the time during COVID to learn how to cook because yeah, restaurant. Some some did. I mean like my best friends now doing a lot more cooking, but it's things like this.
[00:40:39] It is saying, okay, this area of my life, uh, if you look at like we're juggling balls and we've got physical health, mental health, career family, all these different balls that we're juggling, you know, I dropped this particular. and being able to say, all right, what do I need to do to be able to get that back into be?
[00:41:00] And one thing that I recommend people do is do a little bit every day. So as a martial artist, we talk about mind, body, and spirit. . And so every single day I work on my mind. I work on my body. I work on my spirit, whether it's praying or meditation, whether it is, you know, I'm listening to, uh, audio books or podcasts, I'm doing research, I'm reading long form books.
[00:41:24] You know, I work out every single day. You don't have to go to the extremes. If you can get five, 10 minutes of each of these components every single day and make it a habit, it's a small habit, but it's a habit then. You start changing your mental makeup. You start changing your identity from a fat guy to somebody who works out regularly.
[00:41:47] You start changing your identity from a smoker to a non-smoker. You start changing your. Uh, how you look at yourself from being somebody that's lazy to somebody who actually does things. And so doing it on a regular basis for a couple of weeks, every single day, even as I said, if it's three to five minutes is enough to start reprogramming your particular activation system and to start making you identify as a better version of yourself.
[00:42:17] And then once you've got as Peter Thiel's book, Is is entitled zero to one. That's an infinite jump. That's the biggest leap going from doing nothing to doing five minutes. Every single day is the hardest part going from five minutes to 10 minutes, even though it's doubling the amount of activity, that's easy.
[00:42:36] By comparison. Right? And so, you know, you go from zero to five, then you go from five to 10, then a couple of weeks later, you get to 15. And if every couple of weeks you just add a couple of minutes consistently on this in two months, suddenly you're doing a half hour, 40 minutes every single day of feeding your mind and taking care of your body and doing what you need to do to be spiritually or however you wanna.
[00:43:03] You know, aware and a better interactor. And after two months of doing that, everybody else is gonna notice how much of a better version of you you are, and you'll even notice. And it, because the change has been so small, but continuous, you can keep doing it and it feels good and you're getting the positive feedback loop going.
[00:43:25] And so that's why I'd recommend is start small. The smallest thing that you can commit to every single. and just do that. Is
[00:43:35] hersh: there such a thing as a plateau in this process?
[00:43:39] Joe Templin: Absolutely. You know, because like I was on a fitness, a, uh, walking app about four or five years ago called carrot. It was out of Canada and they completely changed it a few years ago.
[00:43:51] But if you hit your walking goal consistently, they would keep raising it. So my daily goal, my daily step goal got to 25,000 steps.
[00:44:05] and it's like, that's like a mailman. Yeah. so, you know, you can PLA on that and you need to remember sometimes you need rest and rest is different for different people, but there should be no goose eggs. So maybe you're to the point where you're like studying for the bar. As an example, you know, that a really intense process of studying to succeed and you're studying 10 hours a day.
[00:44:33] You know what, maybe you take a half day and then go for a hike in the afternoon. So you're not doing as much, but it's enough to let your body recover. Some, you know, so like my off days from, uh, running and things like that, I'll still go and I'll still do 16,000 steps in the day. I'm just not running six miles.
[00:44:56] I'm not, you know, hammering myself. So my rest. Day is not necessarily a full rest day. Just like, you know, if you're going to work, um, on your spiritual side, you don't completely take a day off and you go to Vegas and, you know, uh, do all sorts of things and break all 10 commandments in a day. Right. That's not what rest means, but you know what?
[00:45:19] You don't have to push yourself that hard, that particular day and resting occasionally allows your body to recover. I mean, I. I'm pretty strict about my diet for the most part, because I have to be at this point, but I still have a cheat day occasionally. And like on my cheat day in last month fell on national donut day.
[00:45:40] I love donuts. Nice. So I had 10 Boston cream donuts that day. Oh my God. Well, it was
[00:45:46] hersh: awesome for the record, Joe. That is how most people do Vegas, which is to break all 10 commandments in 24 hours. That's kind of the nature of that, of that particular city, but that isn't necessarily the best way to rest.
[00:46:02] um, yeah. What is your sleep regimen like?
[00:46:06] Joe Templin: So, um, I've never been a big sleeper and in grad school I actually did polyphasic sleep. So I would work for seven hours and sleep for 45 minutes and do that as. Six days a week and then I'd sleep about three, four hours that pop the other night. Um, and that helps for doing Raar and startups.
[00:46:25] And when you have your brand new babies, that's basically the way that you are. I actually, my normal sleep pattern is that I'm in bed by 10 30 at night. And I'm up at 4:00 AM.
[00:46:38] hersh: Uh, . Yeah, so
[00:46:40] Joe Templin: it takes me probably a half hour to fully get to sleep. I wake up at one point during the middle of the night, because most people actually have, uh, two.
[00:46:49] Uh, cycle pattern. So I'm averaging probably four and a half to five hours most nights. Um, on the weekend, I'll take a half hour nap, maybe if I have time. But, uh, one of the things that I do is when I sleep, I sleep when I work, I work and I also. Uh, about halfway through the day, you know, probably one, two o'clock typically I will take a 10 minute break that's scheduled into my Workday and I will just.
[00:47:25] Uh, basically close my eyes, meditate for five, 10 minutes, and that allows me to completely recharge the battery to get through the last
[00:47:35] hersh: half of the day. I, I do that too. And I've been doing that about, for about a year and what it started when I started getting up at five or five 30. Now it's kind of more like six, but when I started getting up early, I would find myself really literally falling asleep at my computer around.
[00:47:55] 1130 or, or noon, like sometime before lunchtime. And I would take a 10 minute nap. I just set the timer for 10 minutes. I actually put on the Headspace app for, uh, medication. It's real good thing, but I, but I fall asleep because I, I know I'm gonna need that, but it helps me. Then I pop my eyes open and I'm like, okay,
[00:48:17] Joe Templin: let's.
[00:48:18] Let's go and, and you're, you're more productive for doing that. And so your net output actually grows. So kindergartners take a nap in school or right when they get home and it works. Cuz look how hard, you know, a four or five year old goes, they go full speed, ramming speed. And then it's dead stop. And then they wake up and go.
[00:48:43] So literally you're learning. What was the ful on book? I think it was called everything I need to learn. I learned in kindergarten. Oh, I, I learned in kindergarten. Yeah. Yeah. So run full speed. Stop. Take a quick half of power nap and go again. Yeah.
[00:49:02] hersh: I think if we can get ourselves into the, the, the, the third point you made about the first step being the hardest is really on point.
[00:49:12] the hardest thing was kicking myself in the ass to get up early. The easy part was figuring out that I needed the 10 minute nap. The 10 minute nap didn't require effort. It was just, okay. That makes perfect sense. And I felt a little bit guilty at first, cuz this was also during the, you know, during, uh, lockdown and COVID and all that where everybody's on top of each other.
[00:49:36] And I felt like, oh my wife's working and I'm taking. you know, and I felt a little of that, of that shame of, uh, sleeping during the day, like I'm goofing off, but I realized the 10 minute nap is a small price to pay for the productivity of getting up and doing another two hours of work in the morning or an hour of uninterrupted.
[00:50:01] Which is
[00:50:01] Joe Templin: even, which is three hours of disrupted work. And the other thing was, you know, because you took that nap, you were no longer grumpy SB probably around her. And so you were a better person. I hope so. Yeah. And so, you know, that's one of the reasons why, you know, the kids being a jerk, you don't go lay down for 10.
[00:50:22] and, you know, they, they do it and then, you know, they reset themselves and they recover and they're better from it. And so everybody's happier. So, you know, we say that self-care is not something that you should be guilty about. That's self-care, but it's also making sure that the family unit is functioning better by you taking that couple minutes away.
[00:50:44] That's the reason why people should take some time away from their kids or away from their spouse every once in a while. Just to go de depressurize on their own. And when they come on back the next day, they appreciate each other, even more. You were basically doing that on a, a daily basis on a smaller subset, but that's the sort of thing.
[00:51:06] That's why people take vacations to get away from their normal reality is to do that. And then they come back and they appreciate their work and they're more focused and they're more productive. Same. As MIMO team, as Sahi says. Yeah. From the whole know the pieces from the pieces, know everything.
[00:51:25] hersh: Yeah.
[00:51:26] Because the, uh, the concept of the vacation in your mind of a, you know, a five minute vacation in your mind, a 10 minute vacation, that's another great. Concept because we can rejuvenate ourselves and we shouldn't expect anything less from our, from our kids that they need to rejuvenate as well. And, uh, I think if you're gonna reach.
[00:51:50] The, what is the goal? Tell me your goal. Again, a hundred
[00:51:52] Joe Templin: million people that make some positive change in their life because of the work that we're doing
[00:51:59] hersh: of the work that you're doing. So a hundred million people, and if you're going to reach those people, we're going to need to see more of you because your energy is clearly what, what drives this?
[00:52:11] I'm inspired after talking with you. Uh it's. It is so much fun as you said, but it's. so necessary. I think your mission is so noble and so wonderful and I'm sure it will be impactful. We're gonna certainly do our part on the show to get the word. And try to impact as many people as we can. And it's all of our little steps combined.
[00:52:35] I, you know, we don't need to reach a hundred million people from one show. We it's,
[00:52:39] Joe Templin: as you know, if CTM says wellbeing is no small thing, but it's made up of small steps. So these little steps of this conversation and your listeners hearing this and maybe discovering another piece and sharing it, that all goes to helping make a better world.
[00:52:57] And. You know, the name of the show is truth tastes funny. And hopefully I gave some truth, but also I was at least slightly amusing so that people get some laughs because when people laugh, actually it lowers their cortisol levels. It makes them healthier. It makes them more creative and intelligent and they retain more information for the next 15, 20 minutes.
[00:53:21] So hopefully I got some people to laugh a little bit so that they can get some stronger takeaways and, you know, maybe they request that I come on back at some point. Yeah, exactly.
[00:53:30] hersh: I I'm confident they did because, uh, because I feel lighter. As a result, I feel more energized. And, uh, and I think that's it.
[00:53:40] The best kind of contagion is what you're selling. Really a journey of self discovery and enlightenment and happiness, not a chore that we have to do. We just have to get off our ass and do that first. Thank
[00:53:54] Joe Templin: Hersh, my friend. Thank you. Be excellent and grow today. Thanks so much
[00:53:59] hersh: for tuning into truth.
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